WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

admin — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:23:14 GMT

Is there any response for the mob of people who have had this latest WDS auto-installed even though their WSUS is explicitly set to *NOT* auto-approve anything?

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Will — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:28:36 GMT

If you have identified the problem, the next logical step would be to help people fix the problem. So far you've only discussed how to prevent it from happening in the future.

Can you please post some information about how to easily remove the software?

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

na — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:30:52 GMT

This is not the result of an auto-approval rule. This is the result of the server setting automatically approve new revisions for updates that have already been approved.

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Jemimus — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:49:34 GMT

I blogged about this happening to me here:

http://geekswithblogs.net/jemimus/archive/2007/10/25/116319.aspx

Now i I understand the above correctly...

There is a good chance I approved for installation, the update to Windows Desktop Search back in february.

I would have done that in the understanding that it would apply -only- to systems that already had the Windows Desktop Search tool installed.

That understanding has come from the behavior of Microsoft updates in general: -Updates- to components of Windows and other applications, only apply to systems that have that component or application installed.

Makes sense. After all: You cannot update software that isn't installed in the first place... cause its not there yet.

Now what I understand from the post above, is that the update revision 105, released a few days ago, is not simply an update.

It is in fact the entire Windows Desktop Search installer, with the ability to also replace/update previous installations.

And because of the WSUS feature to always aprove new revisions is also turned on on my WSUS server, 105 was also, automaticly approved. Cause its a -revision- of the feb update.

However.. you changed the scope of applicability of 105.

In my opinon, this is a very dangerous sequence of events, because the logic is not apparent to most admins I am guessing (based on what I have read so far).

The combination of both a revision, -and- a scope change at the same time, seems an inherently bad choice.

For all intense and purpose, the effect of the scope change for clients that did not have the WDS previously installed, does not constitute an -update-, and it should not be presented as such.

That means it should have been presented as a completely seperate item in WSUS, and should not have included the wording "update" anywhere in the discription.

I have read on the thread here: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=12009443&m=796005818831&r=845007818831

that exactly the same thing happened with "Client Update for Microsoft Forefront Client Security (1.0.1703.0)", which similarly was extended in scope.

The term "update" should mean just that. You should not be using the term so generically, and wrapping up "new" installation functionality into one and the same package.

Keep it separate. Keep the language clear to us admins who have probably very little time to devote to patch management already.

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

nan — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:55:11 GMT

Following are the ways to check if your WSUS server has been configured to auto-approve new revisions for already approved updates.

1. If you have WSUS 2 server

Launch the WSUS 2 web Administration tool

Click Options

Click Automatic Approvals options

See the section "Revisions to updates"

If the button "Automatically approve the latest revision of the update" is selected, then the server will auto-approve new revisions of already approved updates.

2. If you have WSUS 3 server

Open WSUS 3 Administration tool

Go to Update Services -> Options

Select Automatic Approvals

In the window that pops up, select "Advanced" tab

See the state of checkbox

"Automatically approve new revisions of updates that are already approved".

If that is selected, then the server will auto-approve new revisions of already approved updates.

In both WSUS 2 and WSUS 3, the above options are selected by default.

Hope this helps

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Jemimus — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:25:23 GMT

Cross post from my comment on the WU Blog:

http://blogs.technet.com/mu/archive/2007/10/12/response-to-recent-web-posts.aspx#2251503

I believe the way this update was packaged and presented, undermines the logic we have come to expect from WSUS updates.

The problem is that the package is presented internally as a revision -update-, which are by default -always- automatically approved (your other approval settings don't override this), but it was combined with a scope change, that allowed the package to also install WDS on systems that did not have it previously.

It is the second behavior that causes the problem. Installation on systems that did not have it previously, is NOT an -update-, they should not behave as such.

Revision 105 was called "Windows Desktop Search 3.01 for Windows XP (KB917013)". Classification: Update

Now from the name alone, it looks like its not an update, but a complete installation (which it was). I never got to see the name before the fact of course, because it auto-approved and installed itself.

The classification is "Update", and this is what troubles me. Surely, if this "update" can install itself on systems without previous revisions, it does not belong in the "update" classification?

This should have been split into 2 packages.

1. An -update- with new revision number 105, possibly with a slighty differnet name including the word "update". This would have been automatically approved if the default option for revisions auto-approving was not altered by the admin. The scope would be only install on systems with previous revisions of WDS

2. A new package, called "Windows Desktop Search 3.01 for Windows XP (KB917013)", possibly a new revision number, but certainly a different classification. I don't have a list of all the WSUS classifications here, but I am sure there is one that is suitable, wasn't their something for new Windows features?

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Joshua — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:33:47 GMT

Also, I am wondering, how you you determine the "scope of applicability" for updates in WSUS? I don't see anything clearly different in the update that indicates it will install itself onto computers that don't have it, instead of just updating the previous version.

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

annoyed — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:37:10 GMT

So, what can be done for those of us who have WDS now installed on machines that we never wanted it to be.

The update is convienantly non-removalable via WSUS...

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

helmut — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:40:22 GMT

microsoft might "appreciate the confusion this behaivor [sic] caused" but the rest of us certainly do not.

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Reposter of a fix — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:50:23 GMT

Kudos to Phil @ Princeton.edu for this one (hopefully he doesn't mind us reposting this)

1. Used a GPO to disable and stop the "Wsearch" (aka Windows Search) service on our managed machines. This stopped the "bleeding"

2. Since stopping the service just stops the client from indexing (doesn't remove the WDS GUI from machine), we plan on sending out the following command to machines (with SMS) early next week. This will completely uninstall WDS 3.0.1 silently :

%windir%\$NtUninstallKB917013$\spuninst\spuninst.exe /q /norestart

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Brian K. Doré — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:57:52 GMT

Nice spin, but the fact remains that a so-called 'update' was released that installed on systems that did not have the product the update was targeted to. This so called 'update' was really a completely new version of a product. As a Microsoft customer, I don't really care which product team is at fault for screwing up the applicability rules or labeling a full product as an update. I want help dealing with the immediate issues this has caused and ensuring that this can't happen again.

After this fiacso, you may as well leave auto approval out of the next version of WSUS because nobody should ever trust it again.

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

ZrOuT — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:57:58 GMT

Explaining to your managers that you know how it happened does not matter a whole lot, I would much rather explain what my plan is for fixing this and removing this aweful malware.

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

audiofree — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:08:52 GMT

Yes this is very lame, MS should be on its knees apologizing for this mess-up not trying to spin it. But I guess Microsoft doesn’t really care, what can us admin do? Stop using their software? Probably not at least not yet, but stuff like this won’t bode well for you in the future.

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Mark Peterson — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:30:27 GMT

Although I have the 'automatically approval revisions of updates already *appproved*, I had previously *declined* Desktop Search 2.xx. However, I was hit with 3.01 installing on my PCs. Why should this have happened if I had declined the previous updates?

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Tom Morris — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:33:35 GMT

This is such weak BS! Wish I just use something as lame for my clients.

Trust Microsoft, pay the price

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Dr Laurie Miles — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:36:24 GMT

Bobbie Harder's explanation makes no sense - other posters above have clearly pointed out that what was approval only for an update to a PC with WDS on it has morphed into approval for installation of the whole product. This is completely unacceptable. I spent some time yesterday removing WDS from all the PCs in our small business, which I could have spent a lot more productively doing other tasks. The "Automatically approve new revisions of updates that are already approved" setting is now turned off in WSUS, and I would advise everyone to do the same.

MS need to apologise for what has happened, rather than try to justify it, and should be issuing an update ASAP that will allow WSUS Admins to remove the WDS malware. I would not like to be the sysadmin who reportedly wound up with 3000 PCs having this installed...

If you were wondering why a blob of updates came down last night

E-Bitz - SBS MVP the Official Blog of the SBS "Diva" — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:38:34 GMT

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894199 For the folks in AU that have Vista machines.. if suddenly last

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Brad Terhune — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:38:53 GMT

We don't install patches that are designated as "updates" here though we do send over critical and security updates. I don't believe Desktop Search was 2 was ever installed via WSUS here? Was it part of an update rollup or bundled in something else?

We sure got 3.01 regardless, and it was a big suprise. Cost us a lot of time and effort at the Helpdesk level. Very disappointing. My question is the same as everyone else's. How do you propose to fix this problem?

We have taken numerous Outlook 2003 calls at our Helpdesk that resolve themselves as soon as Desktop Search is removed through the Control Panels.

Thank you,

Brad Terhune

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Tom Morri — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:40:01 GMT

Query: why, when the Update was declined, did it still install, continues to install after an uninstall until I turned of WSUS.

Uninstall WSUS is the answer. What crap. What a waste of time.

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

help — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:43:36 GMT

%windir%\$ntuninstallkb917013\spuninst\spuninst /quiet /norestart

MsiExec.exe /X{E72019B8-1287-4093-BE9B-1CFA7BA1A8D2} /quiet /norestart

Both of those should uninstall it without restarting the system.

As mentioned a GPO to disable the service will work as well but will require the system to restart for that to take effect.

The update itself also has an .adm file that you can import into your GPO's to control the behaviour of the WDS client as well.

The settings are at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917013 you can get the .adm by running the update with a /extract.

The following settings might be useful:

Prevent indexing Microsoft Office Outlook

Prevent indexing uncached Exchange Folders

Prevent Indexing Certain Paths

Prevent Indexing of Certain File Types

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

William — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:50:40 GMT

We will look at turning off that "auto-update" feature. It's a pain.

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Jean-Pierre Paradis — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:53:07 GMT

You missed somthing here, this is not an 'approval' problem. This patch should not have been installed on systems that doesn't have WDS. IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN UPDATE !

In the future how can I tell if a new 'update' will be install on all computers or only those who need it ?

Before october 24th I was a big defender of WSUS, but now I feel a little ashamed of using it.

It will take us many days of work to undo the « mistake » you made.

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Gene — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:15:28 GMT

As mentioned above, this update has caused havoc in our environment not to mention over 100 calls into the Help Desk for assistance, direction, and disapproval. My management is asking how did this happen? And of course, my head is on the block for this snafu. Currently there are over 8,000 machines with this product installed. I plan on removing this, and yes, I've turrned off the automatic approval in WSUS!

What is done with the index after the product is removed? Is all indexing removed as well? If not, is there a way I can ensure all indexing is set back to normal?

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Jean-Pierre Paradis — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:17:53 GMT

I may have an explanation why we may think that kb917013 got installed on system even if the update is not approve or even declined.

Let me do a little explanation :

o October 23th, 1h AM, my WSUS server synchronize with

Microsoft and recevied the update definition (metadata)

for kb917013 revision 105

o My server is configure to auto-approved revisions for an

already approved update (as many of you I'm sure).

So the revision for update kb917013 got approved

o October 24th, 9h AM, I plug my laptop in the network and

boot. The Windows Update Client reported to my

WSUS server and identified the kb917013 (revision 105)

update as needing to be download

o October 24th, 11h AM the download of update kb917013

was completed on my laptop

o October 24th, 13h PM I read about the problem with

kb917013 on the Internet and declined

the update on my server.

o October 24th, 16h PM, as define by GPO the update

kb917013 got installed on my system

My understanding is that once a computer identifies that a patch is needed it will be installed. It doesn't matter if you declined the approval afterwards, the computer never check again with WSUS to see if the status of the update changed before installing it.

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Someone Somewhere — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:23:29 GMT

It is interesting how this does not happen to lets say MS Office 2007 updates, I would love it if all my users using Office 2003 received a free Office 2007 installation overnight!

I can dream right?

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Warren — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:38:49 GMT

Whoever approved this bulls--t needs to be fired.

You've made a very, VERY serious mistake in judgement here. You do NOT mess with the trust of your customers. This is non-negotiable. This can not be overstated. I find myself having to manually remove this software from all the servers and desktops in our organisation because there doesn't appear to be a way to do it automatically.

If you were wondering why a blob of updates came down last night

MVPs — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:51:47 GMT

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894199 For the folks in AU that have Vista machines.. if suddenly last

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Chad — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 00:10:36 GMT

I understand the snafu with this product being installed within all your enterprises, and the headache and costs associated. I see MS's error in logic in their classification and it shouldn't have happened.

But seriously people, if you cared at all about your users productivity, you would have rolled WDS some time ago, particularily for the Outlook search. I cannot live without this functionality, and cringe when I work on a machine without this.

For my current project, we are migrating from GroupWise to Exchange/Outlook and it is the highest requirement that we provide an advanced search functionality in Outlook that mirrors that which GroupWise provides. GW's search is and has been awesome, one of the few positives towards GW. It is unacceptable to move forward with Outlook and not provide this same level of functionality for the users.

The WDS search in Outlook is so powerful and shouldn't be functionality your users are without. Hopefully you have either deployed Google or some other search technology, but if you haven't you really need to key into this technology. This is not one for IT to take advantage of, this is functionality your users need, and for their sake you shouldn't ignore them.

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

MacDaddy — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 00:17:48 GMT

"Can you please post some information about how to easily remove the software?"

step one: format harddrive

step two: throw out PC

step three: get a real computer (a Mac) and never worry about garbage like this again....

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

SeeChao — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 00:17:56 GMT

My users have aproximatly a dozen network drives that they use regularly, in order for them to search now they need to index the network, meaning an index thats 10% of the size of whats being indexed, which is hdd room the users dont have, there would be no real productivity increase, as they where able to search before, desktop searching is only usefull for people who hit save without looking at where theyre saving, the lost productivity however is very obvious, all our computers slowed to a crawl, including our servers, our network was jammed, and people where confused and calling tech support, the productivity lost by this "update" was huge, compared to 1% of user being able to find lost files 3% faster than before... I dont see how you can defend this. Making the software available for those who want it is one thing, forcing it on all users was... well... wrong.

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re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

dave — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 01:02:54 GMT

"If you have identified the problem, the next logical step would be to help people fix the problem. So far you've only discussed how to prevent it from happening in the future."

No. the customers identified the problem. This article simply explains to the stupid customers that it's not a bug, it's a feature.

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Todd — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 01:08:49 GMT

If I managed to catch KB917013 before my WSUS server downloaded it, and I mark it "not approved", am I safe? Or do I need to disable auto-approval of "updates".

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Mad — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 01:15:56 GMT

Our updates are managed by an IT company. Needless to say you must have done this on all thier clients. Thank you we will have to pay them now to remove it from all our systems, They claim its not their fault. Thank you very much.

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DjNikos — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 01:30:55 GMT

you people at MS should be shot and strung up to dry....

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Tom — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 01:42:26 GMT

I checked the status of the Feb '07 release and it is (was) set to 'Not approved'. So if what Bobbie Harder said above is true, than how did this get approved on my systems?

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Bob A — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 01:49:33 GMT

Seven hours into clean-up. Passed the word to management: MS changed the rules, we should have known they changed the rules, so sorry, good luck.

I love being hourly!

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Jon — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:27:44 GMT

This is rediculous. As if anyone is under any illusions that this is anything other than simply MS realising that no one's installing this rubbish product because it's so bad, so they're just forcing it on as many people as possible.

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Jon J — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:27:57 GMT

I was out wed for my birthday.... Imagine my happiness at the gift of a phone burning up this morning when I arrived!

I did NOT approve any ANY variation of WDS and I should have had the ability to approve this before my users saw a 'mystery box' appear in their taskbar.

You smart IT guys at M$ do know that some of us that work in financial or data security oriented jobs would prefer that users not search their freakin PCS????

Thanks for the meeting I have tomorrow....

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Tom S — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:31:45 GMT

IMHO, MS shouldn't be blamed for all of this.

After some detective work I found this:

A restored backup of our WSUS server had the Feb 2007 WDS 3.01 was approved for install for all computers but needed by none.

Automatically Approve previously approved updates was on.

It was never an issue because no computers needed it but it still should not have been approved for install!!!

It was patiently waiting for months to get a new detection algorithm.

My bad...

I do agree that we should have been told ahead of time that the detection behavior was changing.

It is in there under the revision notes:

"The applicability rules or prerequisites have changed. This type of change means that the set of machines on which the new revision is offered may be different from the set of machines on which the old revision is offered."

By the time I got to read it, it was too late. :-{

I do think they should have classified it differently (under Tools?).

Just my two cents...

Tom S

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C L — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 03:03:00 GMT

"revisions are only titled as such, when metadata or applicability rules of an update package change, never the binaries"

If that was true, then how is it that an ENTIRELY NEW VERSION of Windows Desktop Search was sent as a revision?

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Steve Ballmer — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 03:40:35 GMT

I hope this clears everything clear. For those still confused I will summarize it this way:

We own your system, if you do not want us to update it when we feel it is necessary you should disconnect from any networks or the internet!

http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com

Lessons in patch pain

E-Bitz - SBS MVP the Official Blog of the SBS "Diva" — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:03:02 GMT

Okay class let's review.... http://blogs.technet.com/wsus/archive/2007/10/25/wds-update-revision

Lessons in patch pain

MVPs — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:55:25 GMT

Okay class let's review.... http://blogs.technet.com/wsus/archive/2007/10/25/wds-update-revision

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gitfinger2 — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:33:02 GMT

I have over 130 servers this has been "Dumped on". Reading the Comments made by the WSUS team is a joke.

The fact it has been approved/not approved by us poor administrator, thinking we had done the right thing and what does MS do. It drops the application on to the servers and brings them to the knees. Cheers guys! So smart !

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wutZWERG — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:54:59 GMT

just finger poiting at ms would be to easy - although I %&$$"!!!

surely it was a mistake by ms defining it as an update, but in big environments - you realy should use a staging aera and testing with updates. this is a standard rule for all production environments.

and for all thise complaining about hardware - well there are virtualization tools availible for no cost.

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

David — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:06:32 GMT

I can GUARANTEE the earlier revision was NOT selected for install. When I originally went in to 3.01 to check why it had gone to all the machines, only the second revision (Oct. 24) was set to Install.

I just went into WSUS 2 to confirm this and provide the actual revision numbers and text, but the updates are now all EXPIRED.

Which means MS is finally accepting they F'D up this update.

Now MS - TELL US HOW TO FIX THE PROBLEM USING WSUS - not some 12 steps of group policy and scripting!!!

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Meitzi — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:05:30 GMT

"but in big environments - you realy should use a staging aera and testing with updates" - wutZWERG

Yes, we have test enviroment and I think everyone else here does too. But how it helps if production enviroment get new program without any our control? Did I do something out of book?

Can somebady point where I did wrong? What recommendation I did not follow?

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VT IT Man — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:51:48 GMT

That explanation is a load of crap. I took a look at my previous desktop search updates and all were set to declined, however, the "update" still was automatically approved. MS should come clean and just state they made a mistake rather then try to confuse the masses with the explanation above. I have my WSUS log and it shows all previous versions, 2.6.5 & 2.6.6 set to declined. I did however have the auto approve new revisions, it appears to me that is the only flag that this update looked at.

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J H — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:19:04 GMT

This update has ruined 2 of my days and it keeps reappearing! I need an MSI patch to deploy via GP to fix this mess. Outlook keeps popping up wanting to authenticate because this junk program is indexing my Exchange Store.

Bad move MS. From now on I will approve all revisions.

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Marco Sonnenberg — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:12:44 GMT

After automatic deployment of WDS, hundrets of users started indexing their network shares at the same time. It paralyzed my clustered fileserver for hours and killed a lot of serverbased userprofiles!

Worse is, that the .adm file, supposed to prevent this behaviour, doesn't work in my environment and i can't find the reason. The clients just don't care about the settings in this very policy.

Any ideas?

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wsus_user — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:26:33 GMT

> more predictable?

you surely wanted to say more reasonable.

Its just your mistake, logic is not a point of view, or is it, when you work at M$ ?

yes: surely i do believe that it's a mistake following the guidelines to push as much bs to autoapprove customers as possible

wsus_user, who diabled any aoutoapproving

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Todd Thomas — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:58:41 GMT

Here is a batch file you can deploy to your organization through GPO. Simply copy the text into a .txt file and rename it .bat

start %windir%\$NtUninstallKB917013$\spuninst\spuninst /q /norestart

Now I have to find a way to block this update from coming in through WSUS, simply blocking it doesnt work.

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

C L — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:27:56 GMT

To turn off auto-approval of revisions:

1. Start WSUS

2. Open Update Services

3. Open Server Name

4. Select Options

5. Click on Automatic Approvals

6. Select the Advanced tab

7. Uncheck “Automatically approve new revisions of updates that are already approved”

8. Click Apply and/or OK

This will cause revisions to not be auto-approved, which amounts to more time on you, the admin, to handle those.

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Steve Ballmer — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:56:29 GMT

I hope that clears everything up.

(Just let the thing run, reindex your drive and network. Go on vacation, don't use the computer for a day or two. When you get back everything will be just fine.)

http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com

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Ian — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 00:57:37 GMT

All the people saying "ah don't worry, you should have WDS anyway, as it works great with Outlook", well yes it does, but we prefer to manage the tools the users are used to, and this places a great big search box on their toolbar that they're now asking what it's for. But worst than that, can anyone tell me why on earth I want WDS all over my servers that nobody ever sees the desktop of, except admin users?

What next, will we get the Visio Viewer whacked all over every server that doesn't happen to have Excel installed, because I happened to approve a Visio update a year ago?

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dalepres — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 01:11:45 GMT

This blog article is absolutely false - wether intentionally or not. I have specifically declined the previous Windows Desktop Search 3.x packages. The previous 2.6.x packages are marked Not Approved.

WSUS totally ignored the previous approval status. This means that WSUS is, and was used as, a trojan for installing products Microsoft cannot otherwise convince users to install.

By the way, I have also read reports on the newsgroups of people getting the patch pushed by the Internet update servers as well. This is not simply a trojan.wsus issue.

I am still waiting to see Google's response to this since Google owns the desktop search market that the WDS deployment would be competing with if successful.

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

John — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 02:16:57 GMT

The funny thing about this is that I manage over 28k desktops and laptops running windows 2000 and xp in 54 different facilities. I had no problems with this whatsoever because I followed the best practices and created a staging area. I learned abotu staging areas way back when anti-virus products released dat files that caused machines to blue screen. Hopefully others will have learned how critical a staging area is. You don't even need extra hardware, you just delay patches to everyone for a week, and you create a different group for machines say, IT folks and then use them as first timers. There is no excuse not to have a staging area in a enterprise environment.

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Dalepres — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 02:17:55 GMT

Ian. Outlook has a great search that works with Outlook.

I hate combined search. When I am trying to find a document that contains a certain phrase, I only want to search documents. When I search for a file with a certain name, I don't want to search documents or email.

Desktop search is a bad idea. And a real security risk.

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John — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 02:52:01 GMT

This is BS... My company considers *any* desktop search program a security risk (as do our auditors). Now you push it out and defend it as an update. You've got to be kidding, right? This is nuts.

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Jamie Plucinski — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 02:52:53 GMT

This is why I don't regret disabling Windows Update and anything related to it. If you want to update Windows use WindizUpdate.com from inside Firefox they give you updates that you need, not some CPU hungry waste of bandwidth like Windows Desktop search.

Microsoft need to learn the difference between an update and a new product, they also need to exercise a little constraint when sending updates to the servers.

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Christian Mohn — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 03:15:44 GMT

@john: Regarding staging areas. Well, staging areas are fine and dandy and best practice of course. In out case, we have never approved WDS in any form via WSUS. Now, why does all my servers and desktop get it? No way a staging area would help us with this, as it got autoinstalled without our knowledge in our live environment.

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re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Bill Bacoyiannis — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 05:18:23 GMT

I walked into work, and almost got fired for this , since my team approves these patches. We had over 100 servers and 1500 workstations reboot overnight for this.

This is the worst, I am so disapointed in Microsoft, for doing this, and worst yet not informing us of this.

I do hope a lawsuit happens for thousands of dollars of lost productivity , stress and mishaps this has caused.

I have been a big fan of WSUS but this takes the cake.

Microsoft should provide us with a automatic way to remove this.

Just awfull, the trust has been broken, not just at my level, the Administrator, but with our managers, directors and above.

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

robay — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 06:30:46 GMT

Impressive confarbage from Microsoft. They do appear to admit flat out that they disregard any settings and just install this junk...(<WSUS by default is set to auto-approve update revisions to minimize administrative overhead and make sure distribution “just works”. >) ...Remarkable.

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

ITAdmin07 — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 07:12:18 GMT

What really gets me in all the posts I've seen is admins trashing other admins over these updates when the blame lies with Microsoft!

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John — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 07:16:19 GMT

Bobbie Harder:

"With the expanded applicability rules, and the WSUS default setting to auto-approve new revisions, it may have appeared as if this update was deployed without approval. The initial version of the update would have had to have been approved, and the “auto-approve revisions” option on (by default) in order for this revision to have also been approved and deployed. "

How many people understood what he said in that paragraph? Looks like Microsoft is actively teaching it's managerial employees how to talk in lawyer speak.

I don't understand 'their unfathomable explanation', so it's my problem. MS spokesman has explained it, and they washed their hands off it. Whether I get their complicated, 8-fold lawyer talk or not, it's my responsibity.

*Tips my hat to Bob Harder*....you guys are really great in customer service. I bet you guys get a peaceful, good night sleep, knowing how great and fruitful and easy solutions and services you provide to your customers. Corporate solutions and services at its best.

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Grim Fandango — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 17:53:44 GMT

Sure, all of us sysadmins can just drop Microsoft at the drop of a hat. This is the real world, with real money and real I.T. departments.

Get a clue, assholes.

Many Windows Users Get Unwanted Updates

Bink.nu — Sun, 28 Oct 2007 00:54:07 GMT

Last month, Windows bloggers and news sites began reporting that they'd noticed Windows Update, the

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Mikhail — Sun, 28 Oct 2007 05:41:33 GMT

Anybody from your team was fired?

If none, that IS the real surprise.

On the second though, that could be one pre-approved move. Pre-approved by your "developers, developers, developers...".

Good luck.

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

EdwardOCallaghan — Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:02:16 GMT

Maybe you people would like to consider a GNU/Linux or OpenSolaris install and stop wasting your own time.

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chunk_1024 — Mon, 29 Oct 2007 00:17:55 GMT

I've been a pro-windows guy since win3.1 but am reevaluating this.

More for the WHY than the WHAT concerns me. Assuming that microsoft is a careful company, that implies this was done deliverately. Why?

Could it be to index the content on people's computers and report back certain hits on alleged 'questionable' files? This would be easy for them to do and would require minimal bandwidth to report back to home base.

Or could it be to force their search technology (and microsoft has the very WORST search tech IMHO) to oppose Google's desktop search (I don't use either).

Either this deployment was accidental and microsoft is incompetant, or deliberate but on based on dishonest motives.

Either way I no longer trust microsoft and am going to modify the (3rd-party) firewall rules on my machines to block windows updates. This will be big pain to review each and every update they want to deploy, but what other option do I have? I have propritary IP I've been working on for years and do confidential work for customers and it is an unacceptable risk to allow microsoft to paw through my files and those of my customers.

This is a short-term solution. Longer term, seeing how very bad vista is (I was on their vista beta, reported some of the major bugs many people are complaining about, but the bugs were all closed as "will not fix" with no explination) I think it may be time to give alternative operating systems a close look.

Oh yeah, and sell my 3000 microsoft shares.

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

patchy — Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:45:59 GMT

re: this issue, see my open letter to Bobbie Harder on the apology blog post.

re: our 2000 shares of M$. We're keeping ours since it is now clear that MS truly does OWN all the computers that have installed it's software. That stock is never gonna crash cause if it ever looks like the stock is floundering MS will just push out an update to wall street. the banks and the rest of the world's computers that "revises" their rating and reinflates their stock value.

Brilliant. ;}

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

_sem_ — Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:18:26 GMT

Just want to reconfirm the MS statement is bollocks. In WSUS all WDS related updates (six of them) are Not approved. Yet, we are infected by the WDS filetracer worm.

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Barky Malarky — Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:08:23 GMT

Are you kidding me? Is this __still__ the state of MS administration? I walked away from this load of crap years ago into Unix and now OS X administration. WTF Microsoft!?!

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re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Bones — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:32:10 GMT

"Is there any response for the mob of people who have had this latest WDS auto-installed even though their WSUS is explicitly set to *NOT* auto-approve anything?"

I agree, is there any response!!!!....

Also add.. 3.0 Not installed ANYWHERE on network but 3.1 is more than an "update" it is the full install!!!!

Solution...

Easy removal via a log in script.

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Graham — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:29:05 GMT

Sure, easy removal via a log in script - if all your users have local admin! What if they don't? Any way to remove this via GPO or WSUS?

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Steve Ballmer — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:59:27 GMT

I hope this clears everything clear. For those still confused I will summarize it this way:

We own your system, if you do not want us to update it when we feel it is necessary you should disconnect from any networks or the internet!

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re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Mike — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:46:11 GMT

The removal itself isn't too terribly hard. I did it like this:

1) add the uninstall command to a workstation startup script so it removes the offending update upon first boot

2) (optional) use psexec (from sysinternals, see MS Technet) to run the uninstall command on all currently online workstations

3) (optional) download "ToggleQL.exe" (google it) and include that on the user's logon script to re-enable the Quicklaunch bar for users who lost it.

4) (optional) add a "wuauclt /detectnow" line (or google "wuauclt service registry detect script") to your startup scripts and/or psexec the command to ensure the workstations realize that WDS is no longer a valid update

If you really want, you can set a logfile or registry bit and a check at the beginning of the script to ensure steps 1 or 2 and step 3 only run once.

re: WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions

Peter — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:29:59 GMT

When will WDS 3 be available through WSUS again?

It seems not to be there, when I use search on my WSUS server it finds only 2.6.5 and 2.6.6.

Of cource we can install WDS 3 my other means, but it's much easier through WSUS because it automatically installes the correct language- and CPU-version.

Managing changes from a WSUS Server

WSUS Product Team Blog — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:12:15 GMT

There are multiple ways updates can be deployed through WSUS to client machines (“client machines” mean

Managing changes from a WSUS Server

Microsoft Product's — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:29:40 GMT

There are multiple ways updates can be deployed through WSUS to client machines (“client machines” mean

Managing changes from a WSUS Server

Bink.nu — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:49:00 GMT

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It is the second behavior that causes the problem. Installation on systems that did not have it previously, is NOT an -update-, they should not behave as such.

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If I managed to catch KB917013 before my WSUS server downloaded it, and I mark it "not approved", am I safe? Or do I need to disable auto-approval of "updates".

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This is not the result of an auto-approval rule. This is the result of the server setting automatically approve new revisions for updates that have already been approved.

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