Interesting adoption data for Open XML and ODF

Open XML Adoption Numbers, and more from Zeyad Rajabi on Open XML SDK v2

Eric White's Blog — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:51:18 GMT

Gray Knowlton has an interesting post on Open XML adoption numbers, and Zeyad Rajabi continues with his

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Tim Anderson — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:02:11 GMT

I made a similar observation last month:

http://www.itwriting.com/blog/924-more-ooxml-than-odf-on-the-internet-according-to-google.html

Rob Weir contacted me to observe that Google's counting is pretty strange, so bear that in mind.

Further, I don't believe this has much to do with conscious adoption; it is more about the influence of default formats.

That said, I do come across more OXML then ODF in the wild. It will be interesting to see if the new OpenOffice.org 3.0 (which cannot save to OXML) has much effect. Recession may be a factor too.

Tim

http://blogs.msdn.com/ericwhite/archive/2008/10/15/open-xml-adoption-numbers-and-more-from-zeyad-rajabi-on-open-xml-sdk-v2.aspx

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Gray Knowlton — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:30:24 GMT

Hi Tim,

I will agree that the google trend data isn't really great... and because the trend graph is not actually a filetype search it isn't perfect. but the ratio of binary to Open XML to ODF does feel about right. But it is one of the few measures we can point at, and folks were quick to criticize Open XML early on before we were seeing a lot of indexed files... so it's good to see that circle back.

I've blogged before about the compatibility pack, which adds R/W support for Open XML to Office 2003, and we're approaching 50M downloads of that thing. So we are seeing a fairly rapid uptake of Open XML.

But in the end, I agree with you (I think) that all roads may lead to the same intersection, which is that product implementations matter as much to document interoperability as the formats do. It certainly underscores the need for us to be present in the discussion where file format interop is being conducted. The gap between 94,000 and 44 Million is really the one worth closing here.

Thanks for the comment!

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Nathan T. Freeman — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:49:55 GMT

I don't understand the metric here... by your figure, about 44,000 ODF documents have actually been REMOVED from the web since Rob's post in Nov of last year. I find that extremely difficult to believe.

Adoption data for Open XML and ODF

BRB: Brett Roberts' Blog — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 03:30:14 GMT

Adoption data for Open XML and ODF

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Gray Knowlton — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 07:51:28 GMT

Hi Nathan,

The measurements are pretty strange, it's more about the rate of increase rather than the actual numbers. At some point a while back, all file format numbers haad a significant decrease, even the binary formats. I'm not sure what was going on there. The trendline is what it is, though. It's clear that both formats went though a significant dip, so I don't think it really matters.

In the end, a difference of 44k documents doesn't matter that much in comparison to a 44M number (which at one point I beleve was reported at closer to 130M).

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marc — Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:12:27 GMT

Hi Gray

I would like to know if newly created Office 14 documents will be made to conform to the strict conformance IS 29500 specs.

Would you like to tell us something about it? Thanks in advance

--marc

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foo bared ? — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:35:49 GMT

Right. But of those XXXX for ooxml comply with the spec as per iso guidlines. You know the answer to that. a big hands up --> (notices there are none). Ok and now how many that comply with the odf format about 95% probably. Care to revise your figures ?

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Gray Knowlton — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:16:27 GMT

foo.. http://blogs.technet.com/gray_knowlton/archive/2008/05/21/microsoft-adds-save-as-odf-to-office-2007-service-pack-2.aspx ...

should sort you on on the spec support question. Besides, ODF implementations for the most part support ODF 1.1, so I'm not sure what you're getting at here. ODF 1.1 is not an approved ISO standard.

Marc, we don't have details to share on Office 14 at this time.

Weeks of links for 10-20-2008

Doug Mahugh — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:02:44 GMT

I've fallen a few weeks behind on posting links to various articles and blog posts, so this post is a

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:ghettoblaster

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Herb Torrens — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:20:52 GMT

Hi Gray,

OASIS announced today a new Interoperbility and Conformance Committee for ODF. Will you, or Microsoft, be taking part in the committee?

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Gray Knowlton — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:27:34 GMT

Hi Herb,

I will not, but check with Doug Mahugh (http://blogs.msdn.com/dmahugh) He's a member of the ODF TC, and can give you input on who might join this particular sub committee.

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hAl — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:44:58 GMT

When will Microsoft start to use the OOXML format on their own documentation.

Most of the documents on the Microsoft site are still .doc or PDF files and not available in OOXML or XPS.

Why is the compatibility pack not added to MS Office 2000/XP/2003 servicepacks ? Still most installations of these older Office versions are not capable of interpreting OOXML even though competing office suites can already interprete OOXML files.

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Gray Knowlton — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:59:13 GMT

Microsoft.com offers the choice of formats in which to publish content. Some teams choose XPS, most new content publishers choose Open XML, and the legacy binary documents posted will remain in their current format. There are currently over 1700 docx files indexed on Microsoft.com, so we're making progress in that area.

The compatibility pack is an optional add-on to Office XP and 2003 to include support for Open XML in those versions of the products. It is a manual download, and not 'pushed' to users. We have had excellent success with the compatibility pack, it has been downloaded by individuals more than 50M times, and deployed across businesses large and small world-wide.

Open XML Tools Index

Gray Matter — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:57:41 GMT

It's great to see the adoption of Open XML accelerating. The Compatibility Pack for Open XML has been