Lies, Damned Lies and the “Gone Google” Calculator

re: Lies, Damned Lies and the “Gone Google” Calculator

Billy — Wed, 06 Oct 2010 23:08:47 GMT

...or the frankly laughable Hyper-V vs VMware calculator? Seems Google don't have a monopoly on using dumb calculators with little basis in reality as marketing tools.

www.microsoft.com/.../cost-compare-calculator.aspx

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CloudNinja — Wed, 23 Jun 2010 14:02:00 GMT

Andrew - do you have an article on the Windows Azure TCO calculator? www.microsoft.com/.../tco

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akisslo — Mon, 21 Jun 2010 16:37:49 GMT

@All negative? - Thanks for the comment. First, this is about their calculator not our own. My next post will be discussing how we include such costs holistically. Second, your point about adding software to desktops is something Google does miss. There are several scenarios where you must deploy software to clients for Google scenarios to work fully. Like a new browser, or add ins for offline or outlook connectors if you still use what's likely on the machine, or GTalk rich client or video add in's etc. That is missing in their calculator. So we agree there. Finally seems like we agree their calculator is bogus and needs great improvement but this is my point. If you see, I see it, why dont they and why would they promote this thing? Is that something you think speaks of business ready, trustworthy type of stuff?

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All Negative? — Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:03:31 GMT

Could this be any more one sided? Sure the calculator is obviously stupid but you can't just point out the negatives in the scenario. Your biggest concern, the fidelity of using docs with outside customers. What about the potential increase in productivity for the internal company users of docs. Or a mid size organization where you want to complain about the costs of adding software to desktops. How much cost is associated with the backup, management, upgrade, and maintenance costs of running exchange, sql server, sharepoint, ocs. Those specialists don't have small salaries. What about the increased data center size and cooling required for hosting your own email? Google absolutely should fix this calculator, no question. But my goodness, when attacking something for being inaccurate and flawed you can't just ignore the potential data that doesn't fit your agenda.

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Jake Harris — Fri, 18 Jun 2010 22:16:48 GMT

Great analysis, Andrew! I'm glad to see Microsoft rebuffing these ridiculous claims. I wish this sort of information had been out last year when we were considering the switch. BPOS is better in every way over Google Apps, and, combined with the fact that we could ditch WebEx, we're saving real dollars (not just made-up ones!) every month thanks to BPOS.

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Gilbertenstein — Thu, 17 Jun 2010 01:51:58 GMT

The 10-12minutes I spent reading this and watching the video is obviously a better use of my time than doing the actual calculator for an IT department....I am an ex-Gartner TCO analyst and this is hysterical. Google seems to have confused "Don't be evil" with "Don't have a clue". I pity any poor CIO that has been conned into the switch and now has to defend his/her job because of the crap the field and the board are now piling on.....

Check out Exchange 2010 and leave it at that....

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Harish Mathanan — Thu, 17 Jun 2010 01:28:48 GMT

Fantastic read, amazed at the effort put in going through bungle calculator

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Daniel Petri — Wed, 16 Jun 2010 19:15:53 GMT

This is awesome Andrew. I had a couple of clients migrate to Google, and even before their free 30 days had expired they came running to me like puppies. The loss of productivity, the loss of offline support, and not to mention the loss of calendar sharing capabilities (or at least decent ones). And the biggest pain was the migration back, all their mail from before uploading to Google was synced back with the same date flag.

Damn Google (not to mention their privacy issues).

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Ray — Wed, 16 Jun 2010 18:44:32 GMT

Great job! It never ceases to amaze me that Google can get away with false analysis like this and it not get caught! I like the breakdown and explanations. Thanks for doing this work!

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rADo — Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:32:09 GMT

@Andrew - my mailbox is unlimited (Hosted Exchange, US$ 10 / month), but I entered 100GB / mailbox via "Edit Assumptions" link. I could enter also 1000GB or anything else.

10*25GB (Gmail) - 10*100GB (Hosted Exchange) = -750GB