Information and announcements from Program Managers, Product Managers, Developers and Testers in the Microsoft Virtualization team.
We were very busy last week with numerous virtualization announcements from TechEd. If you missed them, you should check them out here, here and here. In addition, some of the early reviews of the Windows Server 2008 R2 Release Candidate are coming in and the news is overwhelmingly positive. I'll follow-up on that soon. In the meantime, I'm back with the latest on the VMware FUD Fiasco. (BTW: If you're not sure what I'm talking about you can read Part 1 Here and Part 2 Here.)
In the latest update on the VMware FUD Fiasco, VMware's Bruce Herndon has responded to my previous two blogs and has brought some data to the discussion. As I have done in the past, I have copied and pasted from the VMware blog and added my response.
Introducing Bruce Herndon, VMware Benchmarking
Let me first introduce myself. I am Bruce Herndon and I manage one of the benchmarking teams at VMware. Our responsibilities include both VMmark and SPECvirt. Let me also state for the record that I am not exactly pleased to be writing on this particular subject in a public venue, but I really have no choice at this point since my team was responsible for the raw footage used in the now infamous "Hyper-V crashes" video posted on YouTube by my colleague in marketing, Scott Drummonds.
Jeff Woolsey: To recap the timeline of events:
.and you're not "exactly pleased"?
Gosh Bruce, sorry to put you out.
I had hoped that this whole kerfuffle.
Jeff Woolsey: A "kerfuffle" is going to the coffee shop ordering a mocha and getting a latte. A "kerfuffle" is getting your luggage lost at the airport. If the shoe were on the other foot, you wouldn't be using the word "kerfuffle."
.would quickly die down but it shows little sign of abating. I have been convinced to post some details of this work for a couple of reasons.
Jeff Woolsey: The fact that you needed to be "convinced" is simply staggering.
First, many people have rightly objected to the lack of details given in the video. I am the best person to address those concerns. The other reason is to stick up for the fine engineers in my team.
Jeff Woolsey: It's ironic you're making the point to defend your engineers considering that the authors of the video (your team) have been anonymous/in hiding for two weeks. On the other hand, the Hyper-V team has been anything but anonymous and has been patiently waiting for ANY DETAILS to come through so we can investigate further.
I simply can not abide the fact that the legitimate questioning of the underlying configuration has evolved into a series of rather strident attacks on the engineering acumen of my team. As you will soon see, they are top-notch.
Jeff Woolsey: We wouldn't even be having this conversation if VMware hadn't posted this video in the first place. And yes, I said VMware because after two weeks, VMware management is well aware that this video is public and posted by a VMware employee. The fact that VMware management hasn't had the video removed speaks volumes.
Before I present data, let me provide a bit of background. As a matter of course, my team does extensive testing and analysis of competing products to help understand VMware's position relative to other solutions. I think most would agree that this is simply a good business tactic. Although the results help us sleep well at night, we typically don't publicize them for a variety of reasons. For example, no matter how well the work is done, its credibility will always be suspect to many readers due to the fact it originated with VMware. I certainly understand that. (My preference is to highlight projects that showcase VMware's strengths, such as the excellent DPM video that my team and Scott produced last year.) We were recently asked if we had any interesting material for an internal demo. Since we had been encountering Hyper-V crashes, we produced raw footage of Hyper-V crashing as a response. Someone along the line passed the footage to Scott, who mistakenly believed it was for external release and produced the finished version you see on the web.
Jeff Woolsey: Bruce, I appreciate the fact that you're providing some insight here, but if this really was a mistake then:
The facts don't add up. Again, the fact that VMware management has let this fiasco continue for weeks speaks volumes.
Very professional across the board.
Microsoft: Works With Partners & Customer Focused
Microsoft works with thousands of partners around the globe. When we run into issues, we work with our partners and produce solutions for our customers. Sometimes the solution is in Microsoft code, sometime it's not. However, that's not the point. The point is to remain customer focused at all times and provide customer solutions. In any case,
We don't post videos on You Tube.
That's not a professional level of discourse for our partners or customers.
To Bruce Herndon/VMware
In your blog you state that this issue "shows little sign of abating." This statement implies that you're interested in resolving this matter.
Finally, something we can agree on.
If you indeed want to resolve this matter, then:
To Our Customers: Openness & Transparency
Now that some details have been provided about the configuration and test used, we are actively working to get the identical hardware in place for our own investigation. Let me be crystal clear on our stance from here:
The Hyper-V team is fanatical about the stability of Hyper-V. If there's an issue, we're not going to hide. We will address the issue and provide a fix. Period.
We are 100% customer focused and committed to world class support.
The Next Update On This Topic
The response above covers the first half of Bruce's blog. The next follow-up response on this topic will cover the second half of Bruce's blog that discusses the technical aspects. Considering it took over two weeks for Scott/Bruce/VMware to provide basic configuration information, I assume you won't mind if we ask for a couple weeks ourselves to set up a similar hardware configuration, attempt a repro and investigate further. When I respond, I'll probably use the keywords "VMware FUD Fiasco Part 4" in the title so it's easy for you to find. That would put my my next follow-up on this matter in the first week of June.
Until then, we've got plenty more virtualization news for you.
Principal Group Program Manager
Windows Server, Hyper-V
Courtesy of the Microsoft Virtualization Team Blog: http://blogs.technet.com/virtualization/ VMware FUD
There isn’t a link to Bruce Herndon’s post in this blog, but I found it here: http://communities.vmware.com/blogs/bherndon/2009/05/14/setting-the-record-straight-on-the-hyperv-video.
Here is a link to the full post by Bruce from VMware - http://communities.vmware.com/blogs/bherndon/2009/05/14/setting-the-record-straight-on-the-hyperv-video
Well it just seems to keep heating up in the world of "who has the best hypervisor" (well I
Oh yes please. Let's drag this out some more...
I’ve been watching an interesting “discussion” take place over the past few weeks via blogs, and honestly
the speech was a good article thanks