Tech Ed: Windows Server 2008 R2 Hyper-V News!

Tech Ed: Windows Server 2008 R2 Hyper-V News!

  • Comments 12
  • Likes

Virtualization Nation,

Greetings from Tech Ed in Los Angeles! It's been a busy couple of days and you've probably heard the big news by now, Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 will be shipping for the holidays!

On the Hyper-V R2 front, we're pleased to announce a few surprises of our own. :-) Let's start with scalability.

64 logical processor support. This is a 4x improvement over Hyper-V R1 and means that Hyper-V can take advantage of larger scale-up systems with greater amount of compute resources. As our friends at AMD and Intel drive up core counts, we want you to know that Hyper-V is ready to take advantage of the compute resources in your server today and those you're buying tomorrow.

Support for up to 384 Concurrently Running Virtual Machines & 512 Virtual Processors PER SERVER. (No, that's not a typo.) Going hand in hand with our support for 64 logical processors, we're upping the maximum number of concurrently running virtual machines to 384 per server and the maximum number of virtual processors to 512 for the highest virtual machine density on the market. Here are a few examples. You could run:

  1. 384 single virtual processor vms OR
  2. 256 dual virtual processor vms (512 Virtual Processors) OR
  3. 128 quad virtual processor vms (512 Virtual Processors) OR
  4. any combination so long as you're running up to 384 VMs and up to 512 Virtual Processors

Live Migration & Processors.

With the addition of Live Migration in Hyper-V R2, one of the immediate questions we're asked is: "Do the physical processors have to be exactly the same?"

Scenario 1: Suppose you bought three servers for live migration and created a three node cluster. Everything's working well and a 6-12 months down the road you want to add another couple of nodes to increase the compute resources in your cluster. In the meantime, your OEM has upgraded their server hardware line with new processors, now what do you do?

Scenario 2: You work in a small/medium business or K-12 education and you need to squeeze every nickel you can out of your budget. You want to use virtualization and would love to use Live Migration, but you have a mix of different servers ranging from Pentium 4, Core 2 and maybe next year you'll get budget to purchase a new Core i7 server.

Wouldn't it be great if you could Live Migrate virtual machines across different processor generations?

We think so too.

Introducing: Processor Compatibility

With Hyper-V R2, we include a new Processor Compatibility feature. Processor compatibility allows you to move a virtual machine up and down multiple processor generations from the same vendor. Here's how it works.

When a Virtual Machine (VM) is started on a host, the hypervisor exposes the set of supported processor features available on the underlying hardware to the VM. This set of processor features are called guest visible processor features and are available to the VM until the VM is restarted.

When a VM is started with processor compatibility mode enabled, Hyper-V normalizes the processor feature set and only exposes guest visible processor features that are available on all Hyper-V enabled processors of the same processor architecture, i.e. AMD or Intel.  This allows the VM to be migrated to any hardware platform of the same processor architecture. Processor features are "hidden" by the hypervisor by intercepting a VM's CPUID instruction and clearing the returned bits corresponding to the hidden features.

Just so we're clear: this still means AMD<->AMD and Intel<->Intel. It does not mean you can Live Migrate between different processor vendors AMD<->Intel or vice versa.

In addition, you may be aware that both AMD and Intel have provided similar capabilities in hardware, Extended Migration and Flex Migration respectively. Extended and Flex Migration are cool technologies available on relatively recent processors, but this is a case where providing the solution in software allows us to be more flexible and provide this capability to older systems too. Processor Compatibility also makes it easier to upgrade to the newest server hardware. In addition, Hyper-V Processor Compatibility can be done on a per VM basis (it's a checkbox) and doesn't require any BIOS changes.

clip_image001

Processor Compatibility In Action

Here's an example of a cluster we've been testing. This is a 4 node cluster using 4 generations of Intel Processors with VT all attached to a small iSCSI SAN over 1 Gb/E. We have a script that continuously Live Migrates VMs from one node to the next every 15 seconds. We've been running this test for about a week and have successfully completed over 110,000 Live Migrations. Looks kinda like this.

 

image

 

Time To Get Uber-Geeky

Now that I've explained what processor compatibility mode does and the flexibility provides, I'm guessing there are a few propeller heads who want to go further and know exactly what a "normalized processor" means from a processor feature standpoint. Happy to oblige. When a VM in processor compatibility mode is started, the following processor features are hidden from the VM:

Host running AMD based processor

Host running Intel based processor

SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.A, SSE5, POPCNT, LZCNT, Misaligned SSE, AMD 3DNow!, Extended AMD 3DNow!

SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, POPCNT, Misaligned SSE, XSAVE, AVX

FAQ

Q: What happens if a vendor has written an application that uses one of these features that isn't visible with processor compatibility enabled?

A: Since the feature isn't exposed to the virtual machine, the application won't "see it" and it's up to the application to determine how to proceed; however, there are two likely paths.

Path 1: The application will check to see if a specific processor feature is available and use it if it's available. If the processor features isn't available, it will use a different code path. Remember that applications that make use of these advanced processor features are generally written in a flexible fashion to accommodate the servers in market today and there are still thousands of older Xeons and Opterons on the market that don't have some of the latest processor features.

Path 2: The application requires a specific processor feature and refuses to launch. At this point in time, we haven't found any application that fall into this category. It's possible they exist, but we haven't hit one yet. Since we can't test every application out there, processor compatibility is defaulted off. (We're conservative by nature.).

BTW, if there were issues with Hyper-V Processor Compatibility, you'd also see it with other virtualization products which rely on underlying hardware capabilities to mitigate this problem as well.

Q: Does processor compatibility have a hardware requirement? Does it require Intel Flex Migration or AMD Extended Migration?

A: Hyper-V processor compatibility mode has no dependencies on these technologies.

Q: Does Hyper-V processor compatibility allow you to migrate a VM from an AMD host to an Intel host and vice versa?

A: No. Processor compatibility allows you to move a virtual machine up and down multiple processor generations from the same vendor. It does not allow migrating a VM (with or without processor compatibility mode) from AMD based hosts to Intel based hosts, and vice versa.

Cheers,

Jeff Woolsey

Principal Group Program Manager

Windows Server, Hyper-V

Your comment has been posted.   Close
Thank you, your comment requires moderation so it may take a while to appear.   Close
Leave a Comment
  • I wanted to cover the latest announcement around Hyper-V that occurred at TechEd 2009. http://blogs.technet.com/virtualization/archive/2009/05/12/tech-ed-windows-server-2008-r2-hyper-v-news.asp

  • Gestern war auf Tech Ed USA, die folgenden über Hyper-V-R2 (Hyper-V Release, die mit Windows Server 2008

  • Yesterday at Tech Ed USA, we announced the following relating to Hyper-V R2 (Hyper-V release that will

  • Does enabling processor compatibility hurt VM performance at all?

  • Hi

    To be sure I understand correctly:

    At boot up of the VM, the VM with compatibility enabled, checks the lowest denominator in the cluster / host group. And as long as this VM is running, it will then stick to this feature set.

    What happens when I add a host to this group with even lower features? I would expect this VM to NOT lower its features set. Correct?

    Will LiveMigration check this and not allow LiveMig to this host of this VM?

    Can a lower host be added to the hostgroup AND lower the lowest denominator without VM downtime?

    I'm comparing to VMware EVC to understand. In EVC you add hosts to a cluster. Then enable EVC and it determines the lowest denominator. You cannot add a lower host after that without VM downtime.

    Not criticizing or bashing, just wanting to get the details.

    regards

    Gabrie

  • Jeff Woolsey – after the #TechEd session – posted an update on Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 on the Virtualization

  • Naast de 64 logical processor upgrade in Hyper-V R2 (inclusief Hyper-V Server R2) worden ook de volgende

  • Virtualization Nation, We were very busy last week with numerous virtualization announcements from TechEd.

  • This is nice, and completely expected. Microsoft announces at Tech Ed last week a new feature for Hyper-V R2 which will ease the aggregation of servers for high-availability. Microsoft's "Processor Compatibility" feature enables Live Migration to occur

  • Hello, this is Bryon Surace. I’m a senior program manager on the Windows virtualization team at Microsoft. The recent announcement by AMD regarding the 6-core AMD Opteron processor (codenamed ‘Istanbul’) marks another milestone in AMD’s continued mission

  • Hello, this is Bryon Surace . I&rsquo;m a senior program manager on the Windows virtualization team at

  • Hi there

    We have two dell poweredge 2650 running 32bit ZEON 2.3ghz processors which we would like to attach to the SAN and run non crtical VHD's using Hyper V. Is this going to be possible? i.e. will hyper v 32bit run on these servers given thier old processor architecture.

    Cheers

    Mark