Millions Switch to Exchange and SharePoint from Notes

re: Millions Switch to Exchange and SharePoint from Notes

JuliaWhite — Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:41:04 GMT

Hi Andre - The costs in this study were specifically around e-mail running Notes/Domino explicity. It didn't look at costs associated with non-email related applications / databases. Hopefully that clarifies, but let me know if not.

re: Millions Switch to Exchange and SharePoint from Notes

Andre H — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:46:43 GMT

Julia,

thank you very much for your prompt response. This is very much appreciated.

I am no insider and do not have access to the Ferris report.

Does running a Notes system in the report include Databases? So for instance Database Administration and Database Development?

I work for a company that runs a website including shop, a CRM System, the Registration System and many internal databases based on Notes. These systems are developed internally so this "cost" is associated with "running a notes system"

Can you tell me if in the report "running a notes system" is based only on the email part of it?

Thanks a lot for your response

re: Millions Switch to Exchange and SharePoint from Notes

JuliaWhite — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:35:40 GMT

In reviewing Ed’s blog post, I realized that I erroneously referenced the wrong Ferris report. I’ve subsequently updated the blog, as you can now see, to reference to correct Ferris report. This report is about the on-going costs of running Exchange vs Notes and this report does show that the cost of Exchange 2007 is half that of Notes 7. I did not reference the Notes 8 costs in the report, because I consider the survey number too low and in my conversation with Ferris they agreed it should be caveated due to low response numbers.

Despite Ed’s remarks, in my experience, Ferris has demonstrated they are a knowledgeable firm with a solid grasp on the market and have always found them ethical and honest.

re: Millions Switch to Exchange and SharePoint from Notes

Andre H — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:17:12 GMT

I came here from Ed Brills blog who had sent an open letter to Msft:

http://www.edbrill.com/ebrill/edbrill.nsf/dx/an-open-letter-to-ferris-research-and-microsoft?opendocument about the above blog post in which you cite Ferris.

Since you have not responded to his very public blog post and @vowe has asked your @brandonhoff on Twitter who's version is true. Mr. Brandon Hoff asked to address this on this blog.

Is Ed Brill lying? Would you care to answer his open letter?

Thank you very much

Andre

re: Millions Switch to Exchange and SharePoint from Notes

piccoj — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 05:00:30 GMT

I've worked at three very large companies in California that have tried to switch to Exchange from Domino. The project starts and everyone is excited, but the contract never is completed. The cost always ends up too high or has a lacking feature set (moving from a typical Notes client / Domino server system to a hosted OWA system).

I'm glad you linked to Gartner because Ferris has been losing respect in the industry for years. They are thought us as mart of the MS marketing team, more than an analyst firm.

On a "good" note, most IT managers don't have time to keep up on what is really going on and if they can do a quick google search to find this, they will use it to justify any quick decision they are forced to make. Makes them look good, makes you look good. Who cares if the claims are accurate.

I would actually love to see a true, in-depth total cost of ownership analysis of both product suites. Not just Outlook/Exchange vs Notes/Domino. Now that would be useful to customers of both products.

re: Millions Switch to Exchange and SharePoint from Notes

erb — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 20:54:04 GMT

Actually, I think the phrase used to describe this was not FUD, but "lies and half-truths".