Ramblings from another nerd on the grid
Friday afternoon I received two Lenovo ThinkPad W510’s. The one I decided to look at first is the model with the 1920x1080 Multi Touch screen. Let me first say I am not a big fan of this high a resolution on a screen that is 15.6”. I have two other laptops with 15.4” screens that have native resolutions of 1920x1200. But this machine is very different.
Here are specifications for the machine I am currently reviewing. It is a ThinkPad W510 Model 4389-2UU. It has a Intel® Core™ i7-820QM quad-core processor 6MB Cache. I loaded the machine with 4x4GB PC3-8500 1066MHz SoDIMM memory sticks for a total of 16GB of RAM. The machine arrived with a Seagate 500GB 7200rpm hard drive. I pulled that drive and set it aside then installed my Intel 160GB Generation 2 SSD drive.
The screen is 15.6" (396mm) FHD (1920x1080) color, anti-glare, LED backlight, 242 nits, 16:9 aspect ratio, 500:1 contrast ratio, 95% Gamut, MultiTouch (touchscreen supports two-finger touch). To keep the screen calibrated, this model includes a Pantone huey™PRO X-Rite® Colorimeter. The color calibration sensor is in palm rest near the fingerprint reader.
The video chipset is the NVIDIA® Quadro® FX 880M with 1GB of discrete memory. The chassis has a VGA DB-15 connector which is typical. It also includes a DisplayPort connector (supports single-link DVI-D via cable 45J7915); and has a Maximum external resolution: 2560x1600 (DisplayPort)@60Hz; 2048x1536 (VGA)@85Hz; 1920x1200@60Hz (single-link DVI-D via cable 45J7915).
The W510 is 15.6W" (WxDxH): 14.68" x 9.65" x 1.26-1.41"; 372.8mm x 245.1mm x 32-35.8mm. The 6-cell weight starts at 5.66 lb (2.57kg); 9-cell: starting at 6.01 lb (2.72kg). For those of you keeping score, this machine is slightly wider than a T61p, and slightly heavier. If you are used to carrying around a T61p or W500, you aren’t going to get bent out of shape by the difference. This isn’t a T400, T410 or T410s so don’t bother comparing them on size and weight. This is a bigger and heavier machine. But it isn’t a huge, fat, 17” pizza box either.
The eval unit I have includes the 5-in-1 reader (MMC, Memory Stick, Mem Stick Pro, SD, SDHC), Two USB 3.0, one Powered USB 2.0, one USB 2.0/eSATA combo port, modem (RJ-11), Intel Gigabit ethernet (RJ-45), and an IEEE 1394 FireWire 400 (4-pin connector; 1394a-2000 standard). I have no idea why Lenovo still includes a modem and connector. In fact, I’m a little perturbed with it’s placement because it’s in the location where I would expect a couple of USB ports.
Under the Covers
I needed to go pretty deep into the case right away because I wanted to change the memory configuration and hard drive. The W510 has four 204 pin DDR3 memory slots. Two are easy access from the bottom of the machine, and two are underneath the keyboard. In case you are wondering, the ThinkPad T61p uses 200 pin DDR2 SoDIMMS that are not compatible with the W510. I have other machines that use the 204 pin DDR3 sticks so I pulled the memory out of all of them and loaded this machine with 16GB of memory. In the next 30 days I’ll put all of that memory to use with virtualization.
Lenovo also changed the primary hard drive bay. It’s underneath the machine and accessible from the bottom. It isn’t hard to swap drives, but it’s nowhere near as easy as the T61p, W500 or T400. I don’t really like the new design because I do a lot of drive swaps, but I can live with it. It certainly isn’t a deal breaker. The machine is designed for people that don’t swap drives often so you need not be concerned. Be happy there is relatively easy access.
Multi Touch Screen
Touch interfaces are the rage. They’ve been around for years and thanks to Apple and the iPhone, people have started to discover them en masse. The model I received for evaluation has the 1920x1080 resolution Multi Touch screen. I was eager to see he brightness and color of the screen because I fell in love with the screen on the W700. I plugged in the laptop and fired it up. The first time I saw the screen it had a slight rose colored hue to it. I just grinned.
I launched the Pantone hueyPRO X-Rite application and started the color calibration process. That is so kewl. You shut the lid, it does it’s thing then beeps on completion and you get to see the results. MUCH better. I am not a Pro photographer so I’ll let the Pros chime in on the screen from their reviews, but it looks pretty good to me. Extremely good for a touch screen device. The screen itself is listed as an anti glare screen but I noticed more glare on it than my T61p or other laptops. It appears there are some anti glare coatings on the screen. I’m not really sure.
I do know this, I would not order the multi touch screen. I don’t have a big use for multi touch applications on a device like this so I would order the FHD 1920x1080 without the multi touch option. For developers, it would seem to be a no brainer to get this option, but I’m planning on getting a slate style device this year so I would forgo the option on this laptop.
The FHD is super bright. That is the biggest gripe I have with the other 15.4” 1920x1200 based laptops I have. Those screens don’t have nearly the brightness and contrast as this screen. I still detect a slight graininess but I believe that is due to the touch screen. The other W510 evaluation unit I have has the HD+ 1600x900 screen and it is bright and extremely clear. However, that screen dropped the resolution below the tolerable limits for me, so the 1920x1080 FHD screen is going to be the one I get when it comes time for a purchase. Windows 7 and the DPI settings allow fine adjustments to font rendering to suit your preferences. I run 1920x1080 at 115% or 125% DPI. Looks great and it’s easy on my eyes. Lenovo has a winner with these screens.
My manager, John Martin, will snicker at the next comment or two. You see, I was in Seattle a couple of weeks ago and we were reviewing some data I had on my T61p. I turned the machine so he could see the screen and he had a surprised look on his face. I said, “What?” He remarked at how clean the screen was. I must admit I do like my screens fingerprint and dust free. I cleaned the screen just before I flew to Seattle. You can imagine my shock of all of those fingerprints on the W510 screen after just a few hours of use. Not sure I could live with that. Clean freak.
Let me tell you about a couple of minor things I thought were pretty cool before I get into a Windows 7 re-install and the tips and tricks associated with that. First up is my favorite new button. The Microphone mute button. Press it an it kills the microphone and lights up a nice, bright, amber orange. Because I use my computer now for a lot of phone calls, this is a life savor. If you’ve ever done or said anything you wished you had not on a live mic, you know what I mean.
I also like some of the power management that has gone into this machine. I will fully explore it in testing over the next 30 days, but I really liked how the management software just shuts down power to the DVD drive until you need it. Nice. I’ll be testing the power management for real at the MVP Summit. I haven’t decided if I am taking this machine because I can’t use my data card in this machine (it’s PCMCIA).
The W510 seems to be running fairly quiet and cool, especially for such a powerhouse machine. I have not taxed the system yet. I have also not tested battery life. I did observe one thing I am going to re-test. I noticed if I put the Microsoft Wireless Mobile Mouse 6000 micro USB transmitter in the USB 3.0 port, the machine fails to boot. In fact, it seemed to overheat the machine. Strange. I am going to try a repro on that tomorrow or the next day.
The machine has two cool looking blue colored USB 3.0 ports. I was going to trek down to Fry’s today and see if they have any USB 3.0 hard drive enclosures, but I never made it over there. I am going to try and make the trip after I work out in the morning.
I have a gripe about the Ultrabay. Once again Lenovo has changed it so that you cannot use hard drive adaptors from a previous generation of ThinkPad's. Therefore, the T400/W500 Ultrabay hard drive adaptor will not go into the W510 bay. I looked closely at it, and it appears I could make it work, but I would have to use an exacto knife on the W500 hard drive adaptor I have. I guess I’ll have to wait and see if the come out with one. I don’t see it listed yet.
Installing Windows 7 x64 – Tips and Tricks
This is going to be a relatively short section but let me give you some advice. The eval unit I received came with the 32 bit version of Windows 7 Professional. Strange. Nobody in their right mind is going to fill four slots with 1GB DDR3 sticks so everyone has the potential to go well over the 4GB limit for x86 versions of operating systems. I know, people have 32 bit app compat concerns. This machine wasn’t designed for them. This is a power user work horse. Use 64 bit operating systems.
When I started looking at the drivers at the Support and Download area, my sixth sense told me something was missing. My sixth sense was right. Fortunately I paid attention to that and instead of flattening the original drive, I pulled it from the machine and set it aside.
I had to go back to that drive and get some files in the SWTOOLS directory. The SWTOOLS directory has all of the drivers and software that is factory installed. Be sure to copy this directory to a safe place. Be sure to use the installed ThinkVantage tools to create a factory disk set. It’s always the first thing I create when I get a new machine. It takes three DVDs.
The Lenovo W510 Support and Downloads area currently doesn’t have the power management driver for the W510. Huge oversight. This is a key requirement for the Pantone color calibration sensor and software. It’s also a key prereq for the MIC mute button and other components in the machine.
You’ll also find out most of the USB ports don’t work well with some external enclosures until the power management and NEC USB 3.0 drivers are installed. My external 2.5” Vantec NexStar 3 enclosure would only work in the combo eSATA/USB port. It would not work on the powered USB port or either of the USB 3.0 ports until the drivers were installed. Thankfully it worked because there were some key drivers needed on it.
I had already downloaded all of the 64 bit drivers I could find and had them stashed on the NexStar 3. Good thing. Windows 7 Enterprise x64 doesn’t recognize the ThinkPad W510 Intel(R) 82577LM Gigabit Ethernet or Intel(R) Centrino(R) Ultimate-N 6300 AGN wireless chipsets using the driver base in the RTM build of Windows 7. That means you cannot talk to the internet and Windows Update until you download and install them from the Lenovo Support and Downloads area.
Fortunately, nearly everything you need for a 64 bit install of Windows 7 is on the download area. The rest is in the SWTOOLS directory including software for burning DVD’s and other stuff. The ThinkPad W510 I received did not come loaded with “crapware”. In fact, there was very little pre-loaded. Thanks Lenovo !!!
Some Final Thoughts and What’s Next
So far I am very impressed with the physical build of the machine, fit and finish, and performance. I have a lot of planned testing coming the next 30 days including running Windows Server 2008 R2, Hyper-V, Red Hat, and Novell SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop if I have time.
I like the layout of the ports with the sole exception of the RJ-11 port. Dump that. I’m glad the USB ports are now horizontal instead of vertical. I am planning on getting a USB data card soon so that will be helpful for it.
That’s it for now. I wanted to give you some first impressions in the first 24 hours of having the machine. I went a little over that because it took some time to back up other machines, move memory and SSD drives around, research the missing drivers, etc. I have not hit any show stoppers so far and Windows 7 Enterprise x64 is flying (as evidenced in the screenshot above). Click on the screenshot for a larger view of the data.
[UPDATE for 02/10/2010] I have gone through the process of installing Windows Server 2008 R2 and documented the steps I took at http://blogs.technet.com/keithcombs/archive/2010/02/10/install-windows-server-2008-r2-on-a-lenovo-thinkpad-w510.aspx. I hope you find this useful. Please ask W510 R2 comments there.
I pre-ordered a 43N3412 Ultrabay SATA adapter (III) for my W510. Having received the W510 yesterday, I immediately tried it out - the adapter leaves about a 2mm gap between the top of the bay slot and the top of the adapter, and another 1mm gap along the bottom until you fiddle with the bay lock slider on the bottom - but it sits flush to the outside and DOES WORK. You have to be a little tricky about how you seat it, and then it sits reasonably securely. I will say that if I intended to travel a lot, I would take it out when I am transporting the unit and then put it back when I get it on a desktop. I have the factory Seagate Momentus 320GB HDD in the ultrabay slot and just loaded Win7 64-bit on the OCZ Vertex Turbo SDD which I put in the primary drive bay in the bottom of the chassis. Yes, the adapter will wiggle up and down a little if you try to move it once it is seated, and it seems clear that this is not the permanent solution Lenovo intends - however, all the connectors are in the correct places and it works fine once it is seated.
I have not yet tried the embedded RAID functionality, as I don't have two of the same sized HDD's to play with just yet, but it is there in the BIOS.
If anyone wants pictures, reply and let me know.
Yes, mine likes to drop 'o' too, and occasionally drops Enter keypresses. It's possible that Lenovo may have received a batch of marginal keyboards from Alps. Some users may never even notice it, as their typing speeds are probably too low to trigger the issue - or they'll assume that the errors are actually valid typos.
Lenovo is sending me a replacement keyboard. I'll update after it shows up and I've used it for a few days.
I have the ALPS keyboard too, and it's not quite as nice (it's close, though) as the Chicony keyboard on my old R60. I can type slightly more accurately on the Chicony (100 wpm), as the keys need to be depressed just a tad bit less.
I just ordered my W510 yesterday, but I am beginning to doubt about my decision. I am worried about this model being overheated. Would you mind telling what the temperature of the model is like when you have multiple software all going? I am asking because I am writing my dissertation on this computer, and i will be working on it day and night. Thank you so much!
The replacement keyboard arrived yesterday, and I swapped it in last night. The old keyboard FRU was 45N2071; the new keyboard is 45N2141. Both keyboard also have a different model number printed on the back plate -- the old keyboard had model # C9-USE; the new keyboard is C9-89US.
The usual trick of peeking under the arrow key keycaps in the lower-right corner to identify the OEM doesn't seem to help much here. Or maybe it does. It looks identical to the first keyboard, so it's either the same OEM (Alps?) or one of the other OEMs (Chicony, NMB) has changed their manufacturing process.
The key feel is much better than the first keyboard... much better tactility. Dropped characters also seem to be greatly reduced. The few times it has happened since the swap I believe were actually my fault. Seems like a win.
I am going to swap keyboards today from the other W510 I have and use it for the next few days and see how things go.
I don't really have any proper equipment to measure the temp, but I'll see what I can do the next couple of days.
would a stylus work on this screen ? like pogo sketch for iphon
No. The documentation specifically calls out a stylus will damage the screen.
Could you post some pictures of the Ultrabay SATA adapter III attached in the W510? I want to have a look for the gap. Thanks.
I have been messing around with the W510 nearly all day. It's been powered and running for at least 12 hours. The BIOS and Windows 7 power profiles are set to maximum performance.
I am sitting on the couch in khaki shorts with the W510 sitting on my legs. It's barely warm.
There's no way you could do this with many of the machines on the market, let alone a quad core. It's impossible with my MacBook Pro. This is a testament to the superior cooling most ThinkPads have, and is certainly present in the W510.
On the downside, the fan is always blowing in the W510 and it's nowhere near silent but it's a reasonable trade-off for running the Intel i7 Quad Core.
Thank you for answering my question about the temperature. I have been worried sick about my dell M4300 dying. I bought it in 2008, T7800 with 4 gb ram, and it was 4000$. It has been acting very unstable (got a few CAD software crashing and the famous blue screen). This dell computer is about 42C when i leave it on day and night. I have never had a thinkpad, but i am really looking forward to a reliable computer that can follow me through until i finish my dissertation in the next 2 months. Again, Keith, Thank you so much!
One more thing about laptops that produce heat, there are several good solutions on the market.
If you have a custom wood desk like I do, the last thing you want is a MacBook Pro sitting directly on the wood. I use the http://www.targus.com/us/product_details.aspx?sku=PA241U for that. The pegs shown in the pic are using all three sections but I only use one which lowers the angle but still provides enough room for the machine to breathe.
For the couch, my wife and I use http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/notebook_products/cooling_pads/devices/4841&cl=us,en.
We also have http://www.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=489071 which is better with the Mac because it isn't as slick a surface as the logitech pad.
I received my w510 21 days ago. I have w7 64, i7-920 2.0, Hd+ screen. I was sent the only available battery option, which sticks out the back and throws the computer off balance. Performance is fabulous and screen perfect. Squeak at the bottom of the left speaker grill that probably can't be fixed (thin). I use the touchp-pad most of the time and the touch-pad on this unit is worthless. Even with updated drivers the mouse has almost no control and the gestures functions are impossible to use. Very poor. If I were Lenovo I would stop production until the mouse and squeak problems were resolved and an appropriate battery could be provided. Outside of that the machine is perfect.
Regarding your post on Sunday, February 07, 2010 10:43 PM by Keith Combs
You said you removed the Intel AHCI storage controller driver in order to let the Microsoft Windows 7 driver handle the SSD TRIM duties....
Is this really better than running the Intel Toolbox? I was planning to run it manually every week (don't like the idea of it running automatically).
Is this the only function of the Intel Toolbox?
Do you loose any functionality by not using the AHCI driver?