Remote Server Administration Tools Released for Windows Vista SP1 (Hurray!)

Remote Server Administration Tools (RSAT) for Vista SP1 Released!

Remote Server Administration Tools (RSAT) for Vista SP1 Released! — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:18:22 GMT

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faygate — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:20:07 GMT

errr...where has the Terminal Service Profile, Environment and Sessions tabs gone from a user account objects when viewing in the new Active Directory Users and Computers console? Also how can you add a GUID/UUID to a computer object in the same console? We need to to do both these things from our Vista SP1 machines :o(

Cheers in advance. Richard - University of Bath

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NedPyle — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:17:47 GMT

Hi Richard,

I am able to reproduce the missing tabs. It appears that TSUSEREX.DLL is not installed because the Vista machine is not capable of running as a terminal server. I tried grabbing a copy from a 2008 machine and registering it, but still did not get the tabs. I will be talking to Dev about this shortly and will reply back here when I have some news. Thanks for bringing this up!

- Ned

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NedPyle — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:19:00 GMT

Hi Richard,

Dev stated this was by design. However, I have come up with a workaround for you that I will post here shortly. We are also now pressing to get a legitimate fix put in place so that the workaround is not necessary - no ETA on that, trust me. :-)

What is the GUID piece you were referring to earlier, I wasn't following that.

- Ned

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faygate — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:01:31 GMT

Hi Ned,

Thanks for the quick resposne and workaround, I'll try that later.

The GUID thing I was talking about was when you created a computer object in the ADUC. Previously there were a couple of extra pages in the wizard, asking you if you would like to create a Managed Computer and at which point you could add the PC GUID/UUID and then you would be asked which Remote Installation Server (or WDS server as it's called now) you would like to use.

Once the computer object was created there would then be an extra tab in the computer object called Remote Install (also now missing in RSAT) which you could use to change the GUID/UUID and RIS/WDS server if you needed to. Useful for me when my test machine gets RIS'd with Windows XP and WDS'd with Vista! ;o)

As it goes something that you couldn't do before, which might good if you could change it for RSAT is the ability to change a computer TO a managed computer if you didn't make it so when you created the object. Currently you have to delete the object and recreate it entering the UUID/GUID in the wizard.

Cheers, Richard - University of Bath

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NedPyle — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:19:25 GMT

Hi,

Ah, ok. I'm not seeing that option in Win2008's AD users and computers either. So it's not necessarily an RSAT thing, seems to be more a DSA.MSC thing now. I'll chat with the Setup Support guys and see what they say about that.

- Ned

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NedPyle — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 01:53:10 GMT

Hi Richard,

Haven't forgotten about you here. The Setup team has been noodling on this and is coming up with a recommended workaround for you. Should have something by tomorrow, but may take a bit longer - hang in there.

- Ned

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faygate — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:21:27 GMT

Hi Ned,

I guess that you guys are still scratching your heads over the whole Managed Computer thing then?

- Richard, University of Bath

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NedPyle — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:34:31 GMT

Hi,

Yep - still chatting with those folks right now. I don't have a good ETA for you here I'm afraid. More info when I hear something.

-Ned

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StuR — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 23:43:58 GMT

What happened to the WINS snap-in for the RSAT tools? It's there in the Windows Server 2008 version of the tools (as it was in the Admin Pak for XP.

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NedPyle — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:33:50 GMT

Hi StuR,

I had to dig a little on this (the WINS snap-in is owned by the Networking folks). It looks like it was not added to the pack and this was by-design. I don't have a workaround for you here, but you could try pinging the http://blogs.technet.com/networking blog and see if they have any further details. All I had to go on was a bug filed that was 3 sentences long, unfortunately...

- Ned

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faygate — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:42:38 GMT

Hi Ned,

Just fired up my test machine with Windows Server Standard 2008 and it seems you CAN add a UUID/GUID in the New Computer object wizard...

...However, I've double-checked and you definately CAN'T do this on RSAT for Windows Vista SP1.

What made me check was page 224 (Ch8) of the Microsoft Press Windows Server 2008 Administrator's Pocket Consultant Book, which clearly outliines the procedure I outlined!

So, sorry guys it does look like an RSAT thing...

- Richard, University of Bath

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NedPyle — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:00:59 GMT

That's very odd - I could not do so on my 2008 DC. So then I added the feature 'Windows Deployment Services Tools' on that 2008 machine and I now had the manage dialog in ADUC. The snap-in DLL that got loaded was IMADMUI.DLL.

So then I copied the IMADMUI.DLL and IMADMUI.DLL.MUI like we had done previously to my Vista RSAT machine and registered the dll. I loaded DSA.MSC and I had the management dialog.

The Setup team has come back and said that on RSAT it's definitely not there and there are no plans to include it. You could try the DLL trick like above but it would of course still be at your own risk and unsupported.

Definitely some gyrations here...

- Ned

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faygate — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:34:45 GMT

Ned,

Here at the University of Bath we are very, very disappointed to hear that there are no plans to include the Managed Computer dialog.

When your are delegating control over areas of your Active Directory (like we do here) it is essential that someone using a client PC can stage a managed computer so that they can then RIS/WDS it.

Isn't the whole point of RSAT to allow you to remotely manage your AD/Windows environment?

I will try the unsupported fix, but it's not really ideal and I can't believe it's that big a deal just to add-in this functionailty to RSAT. They were going to add in the Terminal Services tabs weren't they? Why can't they do this too?

- Richard, University of Bath

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NedPyle — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:22:26 GMT

You are preaching to the choir, unfortunately.

If your school has a Premier contract with us (Academic or otherwise) I highly recommend you speak to your TAM about filing a Design Change Request. The more customers that ask for this functionality formally and with a solid business impact statement, the more likely it is to be added.

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Mark Edwards — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:47:07 GMT

I agree with Richard here. It seems bizarre the setup team has chosen to release rsat in its current state, and worse that this is by design.

It worries me whether the setup team fully appreciate how server admins actually use these tools in a live production environment. I use the adminpak tools every day in my job, and often perform many of the tasks Richard has mentioned as i'm sure many other Server Admins do. One of the most common being to stage a computer object for RIS.

We are encouraged to embrace Microsoft technologies such as RIS and WDS, only to have the ability for managing them removed in rsat. This is baffling.

Considering that MS are naturally trying to promote Vista, it amazes me that I can be effectively more productive on the XP/adminpak than i can on the shiny new rsat/Vista tools.

This is definitely a step backwards, and i sincerely hope a revised version is released soon to correct these issues.

Mark

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Babscoole — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:51:59 GMT

Played around with this a bit and figured out some steps to get a WINS snap-in functional on Vista (x86 version) for me. First you'll need to gather up some files.

From a Windows Server 2008 X86 install with the WINS Server Tools, Administration Tools Feature installed you'll need the following files: winsmgmt.msc and winssnap.dll.mui.

From a Windows XP X86 system with the Windows 2003 R2 AdminPack Tools installed you will need WINSSNAP.DLL (the one from 2008 will not work).

On your Vista management station in %systemroot%\system32, place:

1) a copy of winsmgmt.msc

2) WINSSNAP.DLL

In %systemroot%\system32\en-US, place:

1) a copy of winsmgmt.msc

2) winssnap.dll.mui

Create your shortcut to the snap-in (or copy from another system, making sure that you call the msc using the /s switch (%SystemRoot%\system32\winsmgmt.msc /s).

All I can claim is that this worked for me. If your Vista install is X64, then chances are you'd need to source the needed files from X64 2008 and X64 XP. The msc and mui file in the en-US directory might not even be necessary, but I was using the way things were setup in 2008 as my guide, so I included them.

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